Next blog post: Niebuhrs’ Moral Man and Immoral Society https://wordpress.com/post/lovejudgenot.wordpress.com/587
Thanks, My Friend. This is helpful to me, as I want to deal with the facts of human existence as Nature gives them, and how we deal with the ambiguities, even conflicts, of nature.
Acknowledging that such mixed sex persons exist, I understand that you believe that if the hermaphroditic condition could be determined in time to legally abort the fetus, it would be a sin to do so. So, accepting that the infant should be born, do you think it is sinful for parents or doctors to then make choices, as they in fact do, to eliminate some of those characteistics, such as a penis or a vagina, or breasts, so that the child can be identified and accepted as one of the sexes and not as both together in the same body? We know of cases where the parent or physician opted to eliminate one of the sexual characteristics (usually they opt to preserve the penis) to find as the child developed that it felt psychologically like the sex that was discarded. How would your religious views judge the decision to give the child the markers of only one sex so as to protect the child from exclusion and derision?
If the argument against homosexuality is that humans are commanded to marry and to multiply, then what does the hermaphrodite, providing that it chose to keep both sexual sets of organs, select as the means for multiplication? Would it be a sin for he/she to marry a woman, because he/she had a woman’s sex organs to go along with his/hers male organs, or would it be sin to marry a man because he/she had male sex organs to go along with his/her female organs. I consider this to be a legitimate question, as oppposed to the question put to Jesus about who would be the wife in heaven. Contrary to that test, these are real questions faced by parents of hermaphrodites.
Do you think it is sinful for the hermaphrodite, when he/she is old enough to make a decision, to eliminate the sexual characteristics that conflict with the sex that he/she identifies with psychologically, so he/she can be one or the other as is normal, and not both together?
What do you think of the man who married a woman who could not conceive (he was on Oprah a while back) so he chose to be inseminated to bear a child, (I assume he did this in a medical procedure rather than an adulterous act), and after the delivery he planned to continue to function as a man and a husband.
If you think that the hermaphrodite should alter nothing, but should celebrate his/hers natural gift for both sexes, what would such a permissible celebration look like?
Again, these are not just some mind games to play with a religious litmus test. Julian finds himself in a similar circumstance, and, according to what I understand your position to be, the discerning Christian must find his transgender decision to be sinful.
I appreciate your sincere reply to what I consider to be hard and real questions that Christians face.
19 Concluding Response to Georgiahttps://wordpress.com/post/lovejudgenot.wordpress.com/374
My Friend, I respect your reply as sincere. This response is more clear than your latter: here you don’t just imply that Julian’s choice is sin, but you come right out that it is sin, but he is nonetheless welcome in the church, but the implication here, if not explicit, is that he will not be saved until he acknowledges that he is a woman, acts like it and consistent with it, and confesses his sin. Of course none of that acknowledges his undeniably male self or the inherent conflict, both genetically and bodily.
My Friend, we have had many conversations about religion, and as I understand your position, only a religion that is founded on scripture, as it is found in our current version of the Old and New Testaments is valid. I do think that when Jesus says, I have sheep of other flocks that you do not know, and I must gather them, also, he was talking only of non-Jewish, Christian groups that had not yet formed at that time, if even he referred to them at all.. I do think that God has many whom he loves and receives that do not know or even call on the name of Jesus. Those are people, I think, that Jesus would include in his statement, “By their fruits you will know them.”
I actually had hopes of presenting gay’s, lesbians and trans-sexual in a way that would finally help Christians, both fundamentalist and those not so literal, to accept them as brothers and sisters, loved by God and accepted as they are within the fold of God’s love and blessings. It is now clear to me that there will always be those who will use Holy Scripture to bash, to separate and denegrade people who they are not in a position to judge, but nonetheless judge.
With that, perhaps it is best to acknowledge we will never agree because of irreconcilable differences, but to accept the love such Christians can give to me and the GLBT community, as conditional as it is, not based upon any real love and acceptance, but upon God’s command to love (however one does that given the judgment).
Thank you for going to the trouble to respond in detail. It helps me to know what I am up against in my call for full inclusion of all those who love God and Jesus. I understand and acknowledge the logical persuasiveness of your argument, given your premises. I consider my premises to be as fully founded on God, but they are not so limited. I have no hope of persuading you to these, as you have no basis for hope to persuade me to yours. I don’t know that a fundamentalist view must doom one to eternal damnation, if the fundamentalist can truly love despite the judgment. I choose to believe that whatever that reward is, Jesus’ welcome into eternal reward of those who cared for others, fed them, clothed them, and gave them shelter will include all those who did so, without regard to articulated faith or reasons for doing so: fundamentalists, atheists, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, and many faiths that have not been yet articulated.
Next blog post: 13 My Friend’s Response to Me https://wordpress.com/post/lovejudgenot.wordpress.com/362