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Hi Robert,

I always appreciate your thoughts on life, you are a deep thinker, and a loving person.  Reflection is an important part of life.   As much as I do appreciate your thoughts, I find some I disagree with.  I have worked with several lesbians/homosexuals at the hospital, and we’ve had  fine working relationships.  I was fortunate that they didn’t feel the need to make a “statement” and it wasn’t something that was discussed.

These people also never professed to be Christians, and don’t believe the two I worked fairly closely with even attended church.  I do know there are people who profess to be Christians and also say they are homosexual, and apparently proud of it.    I would question the validity of that, but I also know many people say they are Christians just because they attend church, or they feel they live morally good lives, or they believe in a God.  None of those things makes them Christian.  Many are into being “spiritual,”  and really don’t have a faith in the God of the Bible, nor believe the Bible is the Word of God.  Any religion that believes there is any way to salvation other than through the blood of Jesus Christ, is just a religion, not Christianity.

One thing the Bible teaches is that God never changes.  There was a reason God had to give the Israelites a bunch of rules….they need guidance.  I don’t understand the mind of God, but for some reason certain foods were not to be eaten, etc….and we’re told in the New Testatment that we no longer are bound by that old Covenant;  we are under a new covenant, our sins paid for through the blood of the Lamb, Jesus Christ.  Moral sins, lieing, cheating, killing, immoral living, were different.  God hated those sorts of sins in OT times, and he hates them now.  God does not change.  That is one of the things I find strength in.  So much has changed through time, but God is my constant.  Homosexuality was a sin then and still is;  this is confirmed in the New Testament, also.  That does not stop me from loving that person, however.  Am I supposed to turn a blind eye and say “whatever is right for them is right for them?”  Jesus didn’t ask us to do that, in fact we are to be discerning.  When Jesus said “judge not lest ye be judged,” I believe that was where the Pharisees were judging a woman in adultery and going to stone her.  If I’m remembering correctly they were told, “let he without sin cast the first stone.”  That is a little different judging than recognizing sin.

One of the marks of a Christian is that they recognize their sin, though it might take them a while at times to do so, and then strive to remove that sin from their life.  Any person who claims to be a Christian, but harbors a sin, whether it be pornography, adultry, sexual immorality, being dishonest in any way, but continues in that sin without remorse…..I’d have to wonder whether God is truly alive in their lives.  Also, we are commanded, as Christians, to hold each other accountable.  God’s Word sets the standard.  If I have a Christian friend, relative, or acquaintance who is continually living a sinful life, it is my responsibility as a Christian to point their sin out to them lovingly.  I am commanded to do that.  That isn’t me judging them.  If point out where God’s Word is clear that they are sinning, I am to do that in love.

Well, that was a long response to your New Year’s letter.  I should have typed it out and edited and rewritten to make more sense, but I think you may be used to my rambling and can make some sense of it.  I just think it is really wrong for Christians to downplay or water-down the Biblical Standards.  Anything goes, anything is accepted, doing what makes you feel good…..all those things will destroy us.

By the way, I read that book by C. S. Lewis a few years ago and loved it.  This will sound strange, but I loved that he went to the Pub and had beers with his buddies and discussed doctrinal issues and theology–how cool is that?!

I love you, Rob,



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Publications Concerning Hate Crimes Relating to Sexual Orientation

See http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/hate_bib.html for the source of the article, below, discussing hate crimes related to homosexuality.

Matthew Shepard, a 21-year old college student, was lured from a bar by two other men. He was beaten and robbed of his wallet and black patent leather shoes. Twelve hours later, passers-by found him unconscious and tied to a fence along a rural highway. He was suffering from severe head injuries and hypothermia. He was taken to a hospital where he died.

Gregory M. Herek, Ph.D.Selected Publications on Hate Crimes
Herek, G.M. (1989). Hate crimes against lesbians and gay men: Issues for research and policy. American Psychologist, 44 (6), 948-955. Antigay hate crimes (words or actions that are intended to harm or intimidate individuals because they are lesbian or gay) constitute a serious national problem. In recent surveys, as many as 92% of lesbians and gay men report that they have been the targets of antigay verbal abuse or threats, and as many as 24% report physical attacks because of their sexual orientation.
Herek, G.M. (1990). The context of anti-gay violence: Notes on cultural and psychological heterosexism. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 5 (3), 316-333. Hate crimes against lesbians and gay men occur within a broader cultural context that is permeated by heterosexism. Heterosexism is defined here as an ideological system that denies, denigrates, and stigmatizes any nonheterosexual form of behavior, identity, relationship, or community. It operates principally by rendering homosexuality invisible and, when this fails, by trivializing, repressing, or stigmatizing it.
Garnets, L., Herek, G.M., & Levy, B. (1990). Violence and victimization of lesbians and gay men: Mental health consequences. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 5 (3), 366-383. When an individual is attacked because she or he is perceived to be gay, the negative mental health consequences of victimization converge with those resulting from societal heterosexism to create a unique set of problems. Such victimization represents a crisis for the individual, creating opportunities for growth as well as risks for impairment. The principal risk associated with anti-gay victimization is that the survivor’s homosexuality becomes directly linked to her or his newly heightened sense of vulnerability.
Berrill, K.T., & Herek, G.M. (1990). Primary and secondary victimization in anti-gay hate crimes: Official response and public policy. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 5 (3), 401-413. Lesbian and gay male targets of hate crimes face multiple levels of victimization. In addition to suffering the effects of being a crime victim, they also face secondary victimization (i.e., additional victimization after a crime that results from societal heterosexism). Examples of secondary victimization include losing one’s job, being evicted from housing, or being denied public services or accommodations once one’s sexual orientation is disclosed as the result of an anti-gay attack.
Herek, G.M. (1993). Documenting prejudice against lesbians and gay men on campus: The Yale Sexual Orientation Survey. Journal of Homosexuality, 25 (4), 15-30. College and university communities recently have begun to confront the problems of harassment, discrimination, and violence against lesbians, gay men, and bisexual people on campus. A first step in responding to attacks against gay and bisexual people is to document their frequency and the forms that they take. . . . The Yale survey revealed that lesbians, gay men, and bisexual people on campus lived in a world of secretiveness and fear. Although experiences of physical assault on campus were relatively infrequent, many respondents reported other forms of discrimination and harassment. A majority reported that they feared antigay violence and harassment on campus, and that such fears affected their behavior. Replications on other campuses have yielded similar results. . . .
Herek, G.M., Gillis, J.R., & Cogan, J. C. (1999). Psychological sequelae of hate crime victimization among lesbian, gay, and bisexual adults. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 67, 945-951. To assess the psychological correlates of hate crime victimization based on sexual orientation, and to compare the sequelae of bias crimes with those of other crimes, questionnaire data about victimization experiences were collected from 2259 lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals (total N = 1170 females, 1089 males) in the Sacramento (CA) area. Approximately one-fifth of females and one-fourth of males had experienced a bias-related criminal victimization since age 16; one-eighth of females and one-sixth of males had experienced a bias crime recently (in the previous 5 years). . . .  Gay and lesbian hate crime survivors manifested significantly more fear of crime, greater perceived vulnerability, less belief in the benevolence of people, lower sense of mastery, and more attributions of their personal setbacks to sexual prejudice than did nonbias crime victims and nonvictims. . . .
Herek, G.M., Cogan, J.C., & Gillis, J.R. (2002). Victim experiences in hate crimes based on sexual orientation. Journal of Social Issues, 58 (2), 319-339. . . .   Although many hate crimes are perpetrated in public settings by groups of young males who are strangers to the victim, the data show that victimization also occurs in a variety of other locales and is perpetrated by neighbors, coworkers, and relatives. Victims tended to rely primarily on explicit statements by perpetrators and contextual cues in deciding whether a crime was based on their sexual orientation, and interviewees’ categorization of incidents as antigay generally appeared to be accurate. Hate crimes were less likely than other crimes to be reported to police, and concerns about police bias and public disclosure of their sexual orientation were important factors for victims in deciding whether to report. Many interviewees weighed the severity or importance of the crime and the likelihood that the perpetrators would be punished in making their decision. . .
Herek, G. M. (2007). Hate crimes and stigma-related experiences among sexual minority adults in the United States: Prevalence estimates from a national probability sample. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, in press. . . .  Gay men were significantly more likely than lesbians or bisexuals to experience violence or property crimes. More than one third of gay men (37.6%) reported experiencing one or both types of crimes, compared to 12.5% of lesbians, 10.7% of bisexual men, and 12.7% of bisexual women. Gay men also reported higher levels of harassment and verbal abuse than the other sexual orientation groups. Employment and housing discrimination were significantly more likely among gay men and lesbians (reported by 17.7% and 16.3%, respectively) than among bisexual men and women (3.7% and 6.8%, respectively). More than half of the respondents manifested some degree of felt stigma, as indicated by their perception that most people think less of sexual minorities, that most employers will not hire qualified sexual minority applicants, or that most people would not want a sexual minority individual to care for their children.


Why do you think that some people hate homosexuals?  Why would some of those people act violently toward them?
Anger and hatred are defense mechanisms.  That being said, what does the hatred say of one’s perception of self that the mere existence of the homosexual threatens?  Is it possible that the hatred of a homosexual person is reflective of self-loathing?  of fear?  What is the basis for such fear?

Is it possible to have “righteous hatred?”

Is it possible to hate the act but love the sinner?

How does any hatred impair our capacity to love?


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Publications Concerning Hate Crimes Relating to Sexual Orientation